Posts by Sam Beli

  • Sentinel
    31

    Did You Get Your Flu Shot?

    by Sentinel in
    1. social
    2. physical

    both my husband and i got ours this week.

    it seems the supply is limited again this season.

    he didn't have any side affects, but my arm has been hurting since yesterday.

    1. outnfree
    2. Mulan
    3. Sentinel
  • Sam Beli
    Sam Beli

    A surprising number of negative views here about the flu shot. Anyone know if the ratio of negativity here equals the negativity in the general population?

    Is the negativity here the result of "left-over" negativity about flu shots among JWs? You all do remember such negativity in the JW world as a result of the campaign by the WT/Consolation in the first half of the 20 th century against every sort of immunization (vaccines)?

    It is a scientific fact that flu shots help far more people than they hurt. The older, sicker, more feeble a person is the more they will benefit from vaccines, including flu shots. My physician gets a flu shot and, of course, recommends it for me and I have already gotten mine.

    Older persons (above 50) should also get a pneumonia shot every five (5) years.

  • Jesika
    48

    I LOST MY JOB TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Jesika in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    i have been searching for a job since march, and finally got one waiting tables at a pool hall.

    they fired me today due to "pushing" someone that i asked to excuse me.

    then i was told that my "attitude" was a reason.

    1. Big Tex
    2. cruzanheart
    3. Jesika
  • Sam Beli
    Sam Beli

    Prisca said it very well:

    ((((((((((((Jesika)))))))))))))))

    "Sorry to about your unfair sacking. It's happened to me, and it's very natural to feel angry and betrayed. Allow yourself to go through the emotions, and then get back into job hunting. Don't let those idiots make you think you're not a good worker. It sounds like it was politics - it often is in these situations. Just get out there with your head held high, knowing you are a hard worker who will be an asset to a boss who appreciates your efforts."

    Jesika, I have met you only once, but I thought, during that brief encounter, that you were a lovely person who just needed the "right" setting to blossom.

    Please keep searching. The "right situation is out there. It may take lots of hunting. Hopefully it will appear sooner rather than later.

    Best wishes,

    Sam

  • Amazing
    148

    Comments from Ray Franz re Bill Bowen

    by Amazing in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    i talked at length with ray franz this afternoon regarding the following comments by bill bowen: ray franz supports the wt policy on child abuse.

    he is the author of the two eye witness rule as well as the slander issue that prevents anyone from warning another of child abuse in the congregation.

    it is interesting that wt is willing to fight to the last man standing for a policy that in large part was founded by their biggest apostate.

    1. Amazing
    2. Pathofthorns
    3. waiting
  • Sam Beli
    Sam Beli

    Maybe this thread should be titled "Crucify in Abstensia."

  • Amazing
    148

    Comments from Ray Franz re Bill Bowen

    by Amazing in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    i talked at length with ray franz this afternoon regarding the following comments by bill bowen: ray franz supports the wt policy on child abuse.

    he is the author of the two eye witness rule as well as the slander issue that prevents anyone from warning another of child abuse in the congregation.

    it is interesting that wt is willing to fight to the last man standing for a policy that in large part was founded by their biggest apostate.

    1. Amazing
    2. Pathofthorns
    3. waiting
  • Sam Beli
    Sam Beli

    Thanks Waiting, for your kind remarks. I agree with your most recent post too. Hawk summed up well where this issue neeeds to be.

    Sam

  • Amazing
    148

    Comments from Ray Franz re Bill Bowen

    by Amazing in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    i talked at length with ray franz this afternoon regarding the following comments by bill bowen: ray franz supports the wt policy on child abuse.

    he is the author of the two eye witness rule as well as the slander issue that prevents anyone from warning another of child abuse in the congregation.

    it is interesting that wt is willing to fight to the last man standing for a policy that in large part was founded by their biggest apostate.

    1. Amazing
    2. Pathofthorns
    3. waiting
  • Sam Beli
    Sam Beli

    Valis, you said: "I certainly would ask you to think before you decide to get ugly with me, as I never meant any ill will in your direction.Your assumption that Ray was ever a combatant in any of this is also off base. Please go back and show me where Mr. Franz wanted to be included in any of it...

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer"

    Dear DO, please accept my apology since I misunderstood your intention. I am pleased that you meant no ill will. I mean none in return. I hope that we can remain friends.

    Regarding Mr. Franzs wanting

    to be a combatant: it is true, Im sure, that he had no desire to be involved in this battle; however, he became involved, first by Bills statement and secondly by Amazings phone call, and yet again by Bills phone call (or was it the other way around I forget who called Ray first in recent days). So, you are correct, Ray did not start this particular fight and did not want to be involved; I never meant to imply that he did. What was said some time ago between Bill and Ray, we will probably never know. We only know what they are saying now.

    My plea was for the fighting to stop. Ray is a big boy and no amount of criticism directed toward him will have much effect, IMO. Those who have come to Rays rescue here attest to that conclusion.

    Teejay said: "So the outright character assassination of an innocent individual is a "minor matter" in Sam Beli's eyes, so long as the perpetrator is the spearhead for a worthy cause. Hmmm...

    I think there are some here that disagree with you, Sam Beli. The individual is as important as ANY cause."

    The much bigger issue, IMO, is the abuse that the lambs have suffered. I am talking about the Lambs, not Bill. Their molestation cries out for justice. Ray can take care of himself. Any injury that he may appear to suffer on this board is, IMO, minor compared to the rape and molestation suffered by the Silent Lambs. IMO, the board got priorities reversed for a time. If one of our daughters, sisters, nieces, etc was raped and molested, wed be outraged. Rays reputation, though important, seems a rather minor matter when compared to the injury suffered by the Lambs, IMO.

    Edited by - Sam Beli on 15 October 2002 9:35:22

  • GermanXJW
    18

    Bill Bowen visits German WT branch office

    by GermanXJW in
    1. watchtower
    2. child-abuse

    on 12th october, bill bowen went to the german branch office in selters/ts.

    he came not further than the gate, where he was allowed to contact werner rudtke, member of the branch committee, via telephone.

    after some minutes, rudtke excused for his "bad english" and connected to hans obermeier, another bethel member.

    1. JanH
    2. hawkaw
    3. waiting
  • Sam Beli
    Sam Beli

    That Bill gets around.

  • Amazing
    148

    Comments from Ray Franz re Bill Bowen

    by Amazing in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    i talked at length with ray franz this afternoon regarding the following comments by bill bowen: ray franz supports the wt policy on child abuse.

    he is the author of the two eye witness rule as well as the slander issue that prevents anyone from warning another of child abuse in the congregation.

    it is interesting that wt is willing to fight to the last man standing for a policy that in large part was founded by their biggest apostate.

    1. Amazing
    2. Pathofthorns
    3. waiting
  • Sam Beli
    Sam Beli

    Danny said: "You think your taking the high ground on this one, don't you? Well I beg to differ."

    Differ away; oh thats right, you did!

    "Just because two people shake hands over a matter, does not in the least suggest the issues are resolved. [Seems to me that it is resolved. IMO, gracious folks would accept the outcome agreed upon by the two combatants] To tell you the truth, I cannot even imagine any other outcome, other than , where Ray Franz is one of the combatants. I think his demeanor, just from his writings alone, display a tone of reconciliation. Not to mention Amazing words as regards his conversation with Ray." Agreed, and that is the point! Ray has set a good example of reconciliation. It is unfortunate that those who seem to be upset by this issue apparently are not as open to forgiveness and forgetting as Ray seems to be.

    "So for you to come in here and bold face tell everyone to shut up about it, is imo counter productive. [Those are your words, not mine]. It is issues like these, that made jw life almost unbearable. People tip toeing around each other's foibles, backbiting and rumor mongering. There is far more damage done, by letting this type of behaviour pass. Smoldering resentment equals withdrawn support."

    IMHO, what you refer to as "unbearable" about JW life is what you are dragging up here. JWs are noted for criticism, backbiting and rumor mongering, just as you suggest. That is exactly what I am objecting to in this and similar threads.

    A refreshing attribute that I note among many "worldly" people is a graciousness that is lacking among JWs. The more educated, the less likely to criticize and besmirch others. I have come to admire folks who hesitate to be critical of others lest they sink to the same depths in which they accuse others of wallowing.

    You cannot legislate reactions. [Correct, never said I could] I don't care one iota what the cause is, how important you or anyone else thinks it is, there is no excuse for dragging someones name through the mud based on hearsay and inuendo. [ Agreed again] Bill did just that in the case of Ray Franz, he is suffering for doing so, and rightly so. [What is not right is for the Silentlambs to suffer because we are unwilling to accept the "peace" agreed to by the participants, Bill and Ray]

    Too Much Beer said: "Dearest Sam, just don't forget where it came from...if you decide to bring a big stick to a fight be prepared to use it or eat it...one of those life lessons one learns when you are out of the borg long enough."

    Surely, you are not threatening me, are you Valis? I do not care to get into a pissing contest with you over who has been an ex-JW longer, or who has learned the most since leaving the borg.

    I will not further this harangue by posting again to this thread. Victims of abuse, be it physical, sexual, the blood doctrine or the oppressive JW life in general deserve our full support. I wish we could concentrate our energies on those issues, letting these rather minor matters die a quick death.

  • Amazing
    148

    Comments from Ray Franz re Bill Bowen

    by Amazing in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    i talked at length with ray franz this afternoon regarding the following comments by bill bowen: ray franz supports the wt policy on child abuse.

    he is the author of the two eye witness rule as well as the slander issue that prevents anyone from warning another of child abuse in the congregation.

    it is interesting that wt is willing to fight to the last man standing for a policy that in large part was founded by their biggest apostate.

    1. Amazing
    2. Pathofthorns
    3. waiting
  • Sam Beli
    Sam Beli

    Perhaps Bill made a mistake; maybe he made a big mistake. At the very least there was a huge misunderstanding, but now there is no misunderstanding. The two have talked and settled their differences. Let it rest, please. Stop this ranting please.

    By bashing Bill we hurt the cause of Silentlambs. By hurting the cause we hurt those still in need of our love, help and support.

    Help the Silentlambs, please. Love them and give them all the support possible. Damn Bill if you must, but love the Silentlambs cause he champions, please.